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Post by SCIENCE on Apr 2, 2014 19:57:58 GMT
Peer pressure(I'm a herd animal after all) (and also: I'll be asleep) forces me to change my vote to jormungandr.
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Hurdegaryp
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Post by Hurdegaryp on Apr 2, 2014 20:11:25 GMT
Plan seems very easy to be ruined by someone changing their vote just before closing, thereby making it 2-1-1-1-1-1-1-etc. and the one with two votes gets lynched. And anyone who changes their vote will be under suspicion for the rest of the game. True, it is vulnerable but everyone must ask themselves if they are really willing to paint themselves as a mafia member simply to take out a single person - it's trading one mafia for one civilian which is a trade that works better for us than for them. Our options are to take this route and minimize casualties or to give the four mafia members incredible odds to walk away with two civilians dead before tomorrow. And rest assured that those mafia goons will gladly plunder the corpses of any upstanding citizens because of the obscene profits that can be had in the illegal organs trade.
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Post by Serrland on Apr 2, 2014 20:18:44 GMT
Plan seems very easy to be ruined by someone changing their vote just before closing, thereby making it 2-1-1-1-1-1-1-etc. and the one with two votes gets lynched. On that note, voting is closing 3pm Australian Eastern Standard Time (AEST) today. You have seven hours. Is that going to be the standard ending time for each day?
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Post by The Beautiful Darkness on Apr 2, 2014 20:20:41 GMT
On that note, voting is closing 3pm Australian Eastern Standard Time (AEST) today. You have seven hours. Is that going to be the standard ending time for each day? We tend to play it a bit by ear, because people rarely seem to want to operate to a schedule.
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Post by Poli on Apr 2, 2014 20:26:35 GMT
I am...dubious about this plan. It seems less like a way to keep someone alive and more like a way for the Mafia to trick us into lynching someone we didn't in any way agree on by having one person "accidentally" miss the memo and push someone to two votes just before closing. (Also, this game is being run by a sadist - are we entirely sure she won't just kill us all off for the lulz? ) For right now, I'm not voting for anyone - I want to see how this plan plays out for a bit, but I'm somewhat suspicious of Ovi, Hurd, and Elderberry, as the ones spearheading this strategy. *watches them suspiciously*
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Post by The Beautiful Darkness on Apr 2, 2014 20:31:24 GMT
(Also, this game is being run by a sadist - are we entirely sure she won't just kill us all off for the lulz? ) Dead people don't suffer.
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Post by Hurdegaryp on Apr 2, 2014 20:32:04 GMT
I am...dubious about this plan. It seems less like a way to keep someone alive and more like a way for the Mafia to trick us into lynching someone we didn't in any way agree on by having one person "accidentally" miss the memo and push someone to two votes just before closing. (Also, this game is being run by a sadist - are we entirely sure she won't just kill us all off for the lulz? ) For right now, I'm not voting for anyone - I want to see how this plan plays out for a bit, but I'm somewhat suspicious of Ovi, Hurd, and Elderberry, as the ones spearheading this strategy. *watches them suspiciously* While you deliberately not voting is not suspicious at all, hm? Something tells me you want the bodycount to start as soon as possible, which is way more suspicious than genuinely trying to let cooler heads prevail. Tell us, Poli, why are you so intent on sabotaging this experiment? You must have a very specific reason hidden behind the explanation you gave us.
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Post by panicberry on Apr 2, 2014 20:46:27 GMT
I am...dubious about this plan. It seems less like a way to keep someone alive and more like a way for the Mafia to trick us into lynching someone we didn't in any way agree on by having one person "accidentally" miss the memo and push someone to two votes just before closing. (Also, this game is being run by a sadist - are we entirely sure she won't just kill us all off for the lulz? ) For right now, I'm not voting for anyone - I want to see how this plan plays out for a bit, but I'm somewhat suspicious of Ovi, Hurd, and Elderberry, as the ones spearheading this strategy. *watches them suspiciously* Again, if anyone deviates from the agreed voting, I will vote for them next round and encourage others to do the same. There's no logic to do so either - simple math would tell us that civilians can afford a lost person vastly more than the four person mafia.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2014 20:47:20 GMT
I am...dubious about this plan. It seems less like a way to keep someone alive and more like a way for the Mafia to trick us into lynching someone we didn't in any way agree on by having one person "accidentally" miss the memo and push someone to two votes just before closing. (Also, this game is being run by a sadist - are we entirely sure she won't just kill us all off for the lulz? ) For right now, I'm not voting for anyone - I want to see how this plan plays out for a bit, but I'm somewhat suspicious of Ovi, Hurd, and Elderberry, as the ones spearheading this strategy. *watches them suspiciously* While you deliberately not voting is not suspicious at all, hm? Something tells me you want the bodycount to start as soon as possible, which is way more suspicious than genuinely trying to let cooler heads prevail. Tell us, Poli, why are you so intent on sabotaging this experiment? You must have a very specific reason hidden behind the explanation you gave us. Everything is suspicious. So acting as if someone abstaining or no from voting as something significant is rather silly. At this point in the game at least.
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Post by Hurdegaryp on Apr 2, 2014 20:56:40 GMT
Clearly we need someone to investigate this matter.
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Post by Poli on Apr 2, 2014 20:57:55 GMT
I am...dubious about this plan. It seems less like a way to keep someone alive and more like a way for the Mafia to trick us into lynching someone we didn't in any way agree on by having one person "accidentally" miss the memo and push someone to two votes just before closing. (Also, this game is being run by a sadist - are we entirely sure she won't just kill us all off for the lulz? ) For right now, I'm not voting for anyone - I want to see how this plan plays out for a bit, but I'm somewhat suspicious of Ovi, Hurd, and Elderberry, as the ones spearheading this strategy. *watches them suspiciously* While you deliberately not voting is not suspicious at all, hm? Something tells me you want the bodycount to start as soon as possible, which is way more suspicious than genuinely trying to let cooler heads prevail. Tell us, Poli, why are you so intent on sabotaging this experiment? You must have a very specific reason hidden behind the explanation you gave us. I gave a very specific reason: I think this is more likely to be a trick on the part of the Mafia to screw us than a real strategy. If you need a second very specific reason, it's fairly obvious that it's easier to figure out who the Mafia are based on votes if people vote the way they want to rather than everyone, innocent or guilty, voting along a set pattern. I always try to figure out Mafia members by watching who votes with whom, who people save, who they try to take down, and so forth, so taking away that tool is a GREAT move for Mafia and a terrible one for townies. For the townies to let the Mafia go first, while also helping camouflage them - which is de facto what this strategy is - does not seem wise at all. If you guys want to do it, I'll go along with it, because I'm not convinced enough of any single person's guilt to have a clear suspect at the moment, but your impassioned defense of letting the Mafia go first is...concerning.
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Post by panicberry on Apr 2, 2014 21:05:57 GMT
While you deliberately not voting is not suspicious at all, hm? Something tells me you want the bodycount to start as soon as possible, which is way more suspicious than genuinely trying to let cooler heads prevail. Tell us, Poli, why are you so intent on sabotaging this experiment? You must have a very specific reason hidden behind the explanation you gave us. I gave a very specific reason: I think this is more likely to be a trick on the part of the Mafia to screw us than a real strategy. If you need a second very specific reason, it's fairly obvious that it's easier to figure out who the Mafia are based on votes if people vote the way they want to rather than everyone, innocent or guilty, voting along a set pattern. I always try to figure out Mafia members by watching who votes with whom, who people save, who they try to take down, and so forth, so taking away that tool is a GREAT move for Mafia and a terrible one for townies. For the townies to let the Mafia go first, while also helping camouflage them - which is de facto what this strategy is - does not seem wise at all. If you guys want to do it, I'll go along with it, because I'm not convinced enough of any single person's guilt to have a clear suspect at the moment, but your impassioned defense of letting the Mafia go first is...concerning. I'm just concerned about the possibility of lynching an innocent of the bat if it can be avoided. Odds are not in our favour - only four out of 18 are good targets for us - and we can make guesses based on who the mafia targets But agreed with the end, if the rest of the civilians disagree with the plan I'll defer to their judgment. But so far their are only two opposed with several more than four in favour.
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Post by The Beautiful Darkness on Apr 2, 2014 21:32:48 GMT
Currently one vote each to Dyakovo, Elderberry, Poli, Hurd, TSM, Jorm, Chandy and Wami.
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Post by Breadknife on Apr 2, 2014 21:45:20 GMT
I'm with Poli, in theory. The Mafia could have come up with this, behind the scenes, as a valid first-day strategy, one of their number not voting.
OTOH, Maybe Poli is mafia and is not voting to double benefit: Firstly having a basically sound argument, secondly actually furthering a valid mafia plan, given the actual configuration of her favourite mafia... thirdly, ruthless efficiency, Poli's position could be a rogue position (non-mafia, non-villager), or something even more complicated. I'll admit I haven't read through the prior mafias here to know if that's something the current mod (or any other one) has used extensively, but I've been in my fair share of rather more complicated (and evil) Mafias, e.g. with multiple (unknown to each other) mafia groups and all the rest...
OTotherOH, I hate first-days. It's a duck-shoot, where everyone is dressed up as a duck.
Let's see. Seven hours was it? (1 hour ago.. so six hours, I'll work it out precisely to local time later). I'll hang off for a while. There's still a while ahead.
(Not-at-the-moment-voting for Roco, but acknowledging my planned designated target under the proposed scheme.)
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Post by panicberry on Apr 2, 2014 21:46:44 GMT
thirdly, an almost fanatical devotion to the pope, I LOVE YOU I mean... nice reference.
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Post by The Beautiful Darkness on Apr 2, 2014 21:47:08 GMT
the current mod (or any other one) This is the first game I have run.
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Post by panicberry on Apr 2, 2014 21:48:46 GMT
IIRC, the only twist on the standard mafia was TSM being the white wolf in October Mafia.
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Post by Breadknife on Apr 2, 2014 21:57:16 GMT
Eld... adjusted the quote. Hope you still love me. TB[G|K]... see, I told you I hadn't checked. But maybe I ought to. I'm too used to odd setups, I think.
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Post by panicberry on Apr 2, 2014 22:00:30 GMT
Eld... adjusted the quote. Hope you still love me. TB[G|K]... see, I told you I hadn't checked. But maybe I ought to. I'm too used to odd setups, I think. I once auditioned for I professional theatre role with that exact monologue. Quoting any part of it is sufficient.
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Post by Дьяково on Apr 2, 2014 22:10:23 GMT
Just a thought, but maybe the detective (or equivalent) should investigate Hurd or Elderberry. They've been the staunchest supporters of this plan and while I think it's sound, Poli makes a good point.
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Post by The Beautiful Darkness on Apr 2, 2014 22:20:39 GMT
The Beautiful Goddess? I like it.
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Hurdegaryp
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Post by Hurdegaryp on Apr 2, 2014 22:22:14 GMT
Just a thought, but maybe the detective (or equivalent) should investigate Hurd or Elderberry. They've been the staunchest supporters of this plan and while I think it's sound, Poli makes a good point. Bring it on. I fear no investigation. But really, people... would these blue eyes lie?
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Post by Shaggai on Apr 2, 2014 22:26:08 GMT
I vote Hurd, because Poli is right.
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Post by Oviraptor on Apr 2, 2014 22:27:18 GMT
Changing my vote to NA re the plan.
I'm also now suspicious of basically everyone including myself.
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Post by Oviraptor on Apr 2, 2014 22:33:35 GMT
And in trying to get everyone to cooperate and score an early victory for the civvies, I ended up causing way more conflict and suspicion than there usually is at this point in the game.
To the civilians, I am sorry. I thought that people might lay aside their petty squabbles for once and consider cooperating for five goddamned minutes with one of the people who orchestrated the one and only civilian victory in TBC history but evidently I was wrong. Not that I'm bitter.
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Post by The Beautiful Darkness on Apr 2, 2014 22:34:52 GMT
Currently one vote each to Dyakovo, Elderberry, Poli, Hurd, TSM, Jorm, Chandy and Wami. One Vote each to Dya elderberry shaggai NA TSM jor Chandy wami hurd
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Post by Дьяково on Apr 2, 2014 22:35:27 GMT
I vote Hurd, because Poli is right. Well that's pretty much sealing your fate. Vote Shaggai. Aye, Poli raised valid concerns, but going along with the plan just means no-one would get lynched the first day. Going out of your way to be sure someone gets lynched almost screams "Mafia". Vote Shaggai
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Post by The Beautiful Darkness on Apr 2, 2014 22:36:37 GMT
And in trying to get everyone to cooperate and score an early victory for the civvies, I ended up causing way more conflict and suspicion than there usually is at this point in the game. To the civilians, I am sorry. I thought that people might lay aside their petty squabbles for once and consider cooperating for five goddamned minutes with one of the people who orchestrated the one and only civilian victory in TBC history but evidently I was wrong. Not that I'm bitter. You and I make a good team. Unfortunately, I'm not taking sides this game.
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Oviraptor
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Post by Oviraptor on Apr 2, 2014 22:40:14 GMT
Both have very good points and I'm not siding with either for now. I'll keep my vote for NA because everything is balanced for now.
Important point: no one from either one of the opposing groups is going to die tonight because that would be far too telling. I'd say someone neutral enough (e.g. me) will get it.
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Post by Oviraptor on Apr 2, 2014 22:41:14 GMT
And in trying to get everyone to cooperate and score an early victory for the civvies, I ended up causing way more conflict and suspicion than there usually is at this point in the game. To the civilians, I am sorry. I thought that people might lay aside their petty squabbles for once and consider cooperating for five goddamned minutes with one of the people who orchestrated the one and only civilian victory in TBC history but evidently I was wrong. Not that I'm bitter. You and I make a good team. Unfortunately, I'm not taking sides this game. We do indeed. Unfortunately I'm alone this round.
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