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Post by Oviraptor on Jun 9, 2014 12:52:35 GMT
HOW MANY CAPTAINS DOES THIS SHIP HAVE? I don't know what a marine captain is. I even googled it. Was she mafia or innocent? As in captain of the ship's battalion (Garrison? Complement?) of Royal Marines. She's innocent.
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Post by Дьяково on Jun 9, 2014 13:04:49 GMT
HOW MANY CAPTAINS DOES THIS SHIP HAVE? I don't know what a marine captain is. I even googled it. Was she mafia or innocent? As in captain of the ship's battalion (Garrison? Complement?) of Royal Marines. She's innocent. "Contingent" or "detachment" are (probably) better terms...
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Post by Oviraptor on Jun 9, 2014 13:06:27 GMT
As in captain of the ship's battalion (Garrison? Complement?) of Royal Marines. She's innocent. "Contingent" or "detachment" are (probably) better terms... Ah yes, those are much better. Thank you. I got into one of those ruts when you know there's a perfect word for what you're describing but you can't find it.
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Post by Дьяково on Jun 9, 2014 13:10:20 GMT
"Contingent" or "detachment" are (probably) better terms... Ah yes, those are much better. Thank you. I got into one of those ruts when you know there's a perfect word for what you're describing but you can't find it. Having been part of a Marine Detachment on a warship helped me out a bit there...
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Post by Oviraptor on Jun 9, 2014 13:19:25 GMT
Ah yes, those are much better. Thank you. I got into one of those ruts when you know there's a perfect word for what you're describing but you can't find it. Having been part of a Marine Detachment on a warship helped me out a bit there... I imagine it would have. But did you get a big red jacket and a musket?
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Post by panicberry on Jun 9, 2014 14:33:28 GMT
INDI YOU GET TO JOIN LEGION AGAIN
I AM SO HAPPY FOR YOU INDI
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Post by Дьяково on Jun 9, 2014 15:00:04 GMT
Having been part of a Marine Detachment on a warship helped me out a bit there... I imagine it would have. But did you get a big red jacket and a musket? No, I got a flak jacket, helmet, M16, Mossburg 500, and M9... Is that close enough?
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Post by Breadknife on Jun 9, 2014 15:02:51 GMT
edit: Oh, I hadn't read the last page... Sometimes my browser seems to lies to me...
Marine Captain would be the main officer of the marines. i.e. the 'soldier' compliment of this fighting ship's company, there mostly for the fighting, rather than the sailors there mostly for the sailing. Depending on the era and the navy there'd probably still be some cross-over (i.e. everyone gets stuck in with fighting, when defending the ship, or when manpower is needed for either on-shore on-ship operations.
And that's the (brief, and not entirely useful) lesson for today. I'm not sure whether Marine Captain would have been Blocker if Master-at-Arms was town-aligned Vig (or one or other was Bodyguard, and saved someone else), but I'm still assuming both are town-aligned.
FWIW, gamerdog it is. edit2: as a vote, I mean...
Ok, six of us left. Time for a rough count, I think, both because of the role above disappearing and because I lost my notes from 'yesterday', while travelling, and I think it's time to recreate them anyway.
Based upon the assumptions of no game set-up surprises, the survivors include the following known named roles (or ex-roles): 1. Me (Captain), 2. A so-far-unrevealed Surgeon (one-time ressurector, at least, possibly a general Doctor role?) 3. A Cupid (presumed only created one pairing) 4. A detective (I'm also not going to say who I know this is, but I do). ...all the above I assume to be be accurate information and Town-aligned (and assume you would all agree, too). Information from the 'detective': 5. I know of the one innocent. 6. I know of one pirate.
So, that's it. Any main disagreements, to overturn my above assumptions? Apart from anything else, one remaining pirate plus one lynched pirate plus one lynched Pirate Captain seems small (probably why I was expecting there to be another pirate, instead of another role), unless Nobeard had a power-role, which (before their night 2 death-by-presumed Vig, maybe Serr or maybe Indigo?) could have been useful to balance their side.
(Last game's balancing skill of that kind was that of mafia-recruitment, whenever there was a mafia member lynched. If it's the same, then that never happened this game. Indeed, technically it still hasn't, so if Pirates had such a 'power' they have fallen victim to bad luck and impotence in this regard. But I wouldn't put it past there being something else. But, again, possibly cut off in its prime. Nobeard might possibly done something Night 1 and/or Night 2, before being offed. Perhaps longer if it's also a Dread Pirate Roberts-type role or there's other obfuscation involved. In which case I've larger list of other scenarios that I'm happy to work towards. Also I'm still open to the idea of there somehow being an SK, perhaps as a one-shot. Somehow integrated within the above 'known' count, with revisions. But that's increasingly less likely.)
So, anyone have any serious objections? If the day ends without Town victory (especially if it isn't a pirate lynch) then my above basic scenario has to be questioned, but can anyone come up with viable reasons for questioning this beforehand, to perhaps save us all some time? One way or another, if night-time falls again I have plenty of contingency ideas that should satisfy tomorrow's dawning situation, but all the better if we can nail it today.
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Post by Breadknife on Jun 9, 2014 15:10:49 GMT
HOW MANY CAPTAINS DOES THIS SHIP HAVE? I don't know what a marine captain is. I even googled it. Was she mafia or innocent? She was an innocent, and she was the doctor equivalent. As to her role name, "Marine Captain" means that she was the head of the Marine contingent on the vessel (which in this case is probably just her). Doctor? Ah yes, Doctor as in Blocker. If Surgeon was not conflated with this role (I'm assume flavour-name suggests it was someone different, despite possibly confusion between flavour-name and type-name), then I think everything is as above.
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Post by Oviraptor on Jun 9, 2014 15:29:18 GMT
HOW MANY CAPTAINS DOES THIS SHIP HAVE? I don't know what a marine captain is. I even googled it. Was she mafia or innocent? She was an innocent, and she was the doctor equivalent. As to her role name, "Marine Captain" means that she was the head of the Marine contingent on the vessel (which in this case is probably just her). Oi, no ghostly distribution of information.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 15:56:52 GMT
Vote gamerdog.
Because I don't like dogs today.
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Post by Oviraptor on Jun 9, 2014 16:00:21 GMT
I imagine it would have. But did you get a big red jacket and a musket? No, I got a flak jacket, helmet, M16, Mossburg 500, and M9... Is that close enough? I'll let it slide as long as I get a go driving the boat.
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Post by Дьяково on Jun 9, 2014 17:44:28 GMT
She was an innocent, and she was the doctor equivalent. As to her role name, "Marine Captain" means that she was the head of the Marine contingent on the vessel (which in this case is probably just her). Oi, no ghostly distribution of information. Sorry, wasn't thinking.
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Post by SCIENCE on Jun 9, 2014 17:50:08 GMT
Your usual MO
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Post by panicberry on Jun 9, 2014 17:54:15 GMT
LEGION DISAPPROVES DYA IS EXCOMMUNICATED NOW YOU MUST REPENT OR FACE ETERNAL TORMENT
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Post by Дьяково on Jun 9, 2014 19:04:14 GMT
Your usual MO Thinking is hard...
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Post by Gamerdog on Jun 9, 2014 19:11:48 GMT
Vote Blassy cause he voted for me :U
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Post by SCIENCE on Jun 9, 2014 19:16:59 GMT
Your usual MO Thinking is hard... That's why I think with my little brain.
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Post by The Beautiful Darkness on Jun 9, 2014 20:38:23 GMT
Also voting to lynch gamerdog.
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Post by whereyouthinkyoupoliying on Jun 9, 2014 21:41:34 GMT
HOW MANY CAPTAINS DOES THIS SHIP HAVE? I don't know what a marine captain is. I even googled it. Was she mafia or innocent? As in captain of the ship's battalion (Garrison? Complement?) of Royal Marines. She's innocent. Thanks! She was an innocent, and she was the doctor equivalent. As to her role name, "Marine Captain" means that she was the head of the Marine contingent on the vessel (which in this case is probably just her). Doctor? Ah yes, Doctor as in Blocker. If Surgeon was not conflated with this role (I'm assume flavour-name suggests it was someone different, despite possibly confusion between flavour-name and type-name), then I think everything is as above. To me, the doctor is the one who can protect one player per night from being killed. What's the difference from "surgeon" and "blocker?
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Post by Breadknife on Jun 9, 2014 23:05:54 GMT
Only really the way I used the term. Which (some might say) was wrong anyway.
A Doctor/protector character is one that targets a person and prevents harm (or, in some cases, any other actions, including investigation or Watching/Tracking) happening to them.
Then there's a role that is better described as a "Blocker" which targets a person and prevents them from acting (e.g. wouldn't stop them from being killed, or whatever, by a third party but could stop them from killing/protecting/investigating/etc in their own right.
But I was rushing my original explanation, a little, and without there being an apparently separate role of the second kind (also no watcher/tracker/bus/lightning-rod/etc, etc, etc) I used the term for the former.
(I also mentioned "bodyguard", I think, which is a sacrificial protection role, i.e. "getting in the way" of an attack upon their designated 'actee' and taking the hit on their behalf. That's still possible to have happened, when we finally get a heads-up on the deaths of Serr and/or Indigo, in particular, and learn their full role-remit.)
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Post by Breadknife on Jun 9, 2014 23:15:27 GMT
Forgot to say, "Surgeon" is what I'd describe as the 'flavour-name' for someone. The game-themed name for what I presume was a "Resurrectionist"-type active role (with many and varied actual names, according to the theme it needs to fit in with). It may be that the Doctor(/protector/whatever) role, i.e. Indigo, had this skill, but Indigo's flavour-name as "Marine Captain" doesn't lend itself so obviously (to me - Ovi and Angru Russian may argue otherwise, at least when they're eventually free to do so) to be the anonymous "Surgeon" who brought me back from the day 1 lynching event. On the other hand, maybe they do(/did). The ability to bring someone back from the dead is frequently a one-shot role, anyway (although not always, with the middle-ground being that and unfettered usage being a restriction such as necessarily sacrificing another in the process) and could be given as a secondary ability to someone with a different permanent role ability, such as protecting, perhaps with the caveat that on the night that this ability is used it is instead of their usual ability to intervene against someone else's demise (playing 'Doctor', by vanilla Mafia standards). Or have I just complicated matters? We as a group (the individual concerned already knows, of course) shall find out when the game ends, perhaps. And then we'll find out exactly how far from the truth I am, and where I've tripped up over my own logic.
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Post by Breadknife on Jun 10, 2014 0:30:47 GMT
I just noted something down and a quick correction is needed, which for some reason happened above. Seven still survive. Blame my forgetting to bring the updated copy of my original notes back home with me, after the weekend.
wytyg, blassy, myself, chand, Gamerdog, TBK, Joseon. If I'm wrong, please tell me.
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Post by panicberry on Jun 10, 2014 0:32:02 GMT
LEGION IS ALIVE IN SPIRIT AS LEGION IS A SPIRIT
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Post by Gamerdog on Jun 10, 2014 0:54:45 GMT
I just noted something down and a quick correction is needed, which for some reason happened above. Seven still survive. Blame my forgetting to bring the updated copy of my original notes back home with me, after the weekend. wytyg, blassy, myself, chand, Gamerdog, TBK, Joseon. If I'm wrong, please tell me. Yes, that is correct.
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Post by panicberry on Jun 10, 2014 0:57:48 GMT
WHAT ABOUT LEGION
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Post by Gamerdog on Jun 10, 2014 0:58:19 GMT
You are a figment of your own imagination.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 1:00:14 GMT
What's the count on mafia members?
2, yes?
I think townies have this in the bag.
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Post by panicberry on Jun 10, 2014 1:01:53 GMT
LEGION VOTES FOR THE TOWNIES
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Post by Breadknife on Jun 10, 2014 1:18:17 GMT
What's the count on mafia members? 2, yes? I think townies have this in the bag. It was a better bag when it was 1, but... still good enough, I hope.
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