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Post by Yaltabaoth on Aug 4, 2014 18:38:19 GMT
I don't think the Doctor was the resurrection person. I already had a note to affect on my person game-notes. But that's based on traditional Werewolf-themed roles, where the name Apothecary would be most likely used (IME). And the Sheriff role doesn't appear to be anything like either the Werewolf-game namesake or the Mafia-game Cop, who I was also pretty sure was someone else. I don't think I dare ask the resurrected people to clarify their roles, because they might not want to answer and we might not even like what results if they make (truthful) answers anyway. I'd like to let it be known that I'm definitely curious (that goes without saying), but without any associated compulsion to spill any sort of beans... However, I've an inkling or three. Some aspects of which are self-contradictory, but that's par for the course. Completely unrelated to everything you said above (not all of which I understood) but I just noticed that the stars in the lower half of your flag/avatar change every couple of minutes. Very subtle, I like it.  On topic, this is my first game so I don't have a "usual" to measure against, either by role or by player. In other words, I'm stumped. One thought did occur to me though, and I admit it's a long shot but I wanted to air it: Dya has specifically noted that one of the dead was not identified as "innocent" but also not a wolf - checking I found that TBD (the vampire) is the only death not called "innocent". I think it's fair to point out that while none of the dead have been identified as werewolves, one of them was not identified as an innocent... Vampires and werewolves aren't usually friends. And I know I'm making a leap here, but what if the resurrected are vampires? Yesterday I backed Serrland believing him to be innocent, but sadly instead contributed to the lynching of another innocent (DM) - now returned to life, just like Serrland. So let's say TBD (who declared she was not a killer) resurrected Serrland as a vampire (consistent with her statement), then Serrland resurrected Desperatemarlas also as a vampire. I make no accusations yet (I'll use bold font when I do) but I can't help feel there's significance in this comment by Dya, and others have expressed doubt that the Doctor was the one resurrecting. |
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Post by desperatemarlas on Aug 4, 2014 20:56:38 GMT
I'm not a vampire! I'm the sheriff. I just got deaded for a bit
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Post by Дьяково on Aug 4, 2014 21:11:30 GMT
My mid-"day" update is late again, thanks to some issues at work... The voting tally is as follows: whereyouthinkyoupoliying: 1 (DM) No other votes have been cast as of yet. You have approximately 21.5 hours remaining. |
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Post by Дьяково on Aug 4, 2014 21:12:21 GMT
I'm not a vampire! I'm the sheriff. I just got deaded for a bit You got better though. *nods* |
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Post by Breadknife on Aug 4, 2014 23:02:20 GMT
Completely unrelated to everything you said above (not all of which I understood) Re-reading it myself, I must apologise for some atrociusly bad editing, which probably didn't help... It's the version I cut down to fit within the Nationstates animated gif non-interference limit, so I might upload the fuller version, sometime...  But I really don't have anything to say that I haven't already said... However badly. But this really isn't a proper game response either... Especially as I left my notes at home, darnit. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 23:03:30 GMT
Y'know, because she seems a little suspicious, I'm gonna Vote wytyg.
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Post by Serrland on Aug 4, 2014 23:28:42 GMT
Well, I'm torn. I don't like hopping on lynching dogpiles, but wytyg was one of the three that voted for me day one, and two of them have since been killed (one innocent, one vampire, which I assume means mafia for this game - I'm going with the werewolves v vampire idea that was mentioned above). That leaves one left of the three that had me hanged. So far 1/2 of those who voted to lynch me week on have been mafia. That's an acceptable ratio of mafia to townie deaths early on. We'll see whether it's 33% or 66% after this round, I guess. Vote wytyg. Vengeance and all that jazz.
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Post by Breadknife on Aug 5, 2014 1:59:58 GMT
Be careful with vengeance. I was the Vengeful Captain (actual captain, not pirate captain or the marine one) in the Pirate gameand I ended up killing an innocent She-ep. Take it from me, the chances are that you're going to kill an innocent if you go off the totally random first-day voting. You don't know how many true villains were off on the sidelines watching their work being done for them without them even needing to lift a finger... (Well, maybe you do...)
I've seen no good reasons come out in public conversation that definitively puts anyone ahead of anyone else w.r.t. self-condemning statements. I'm more concerned about what hasn't been said, which is a stronger (but still confusing) signal.
But you wouldn't want to listen to me, because I've (edit: probably) not been proven to be reliable, as yet, by whatever other true-Cop role(s) there might yet be out there. Should I invite inspection? I don't see why I shouldn't, but the individual(s) concerned need to decide whether or not to, or target a far more worthy target... (e.g. to see if we can really still trust one or other of those who have been subject to revelation, but don't let me distract you with such disturbing thoughts, you doubtless already have your own ideas and perhaps even prior information.)
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Post by panicberry on Aug 5, 2014 2:05:54 GMT
Be careful with vengeance. I was the Vengeful Captain (actual captain, not pirate captain or the marine one) in the Pirate gameand I ended up killing an innocent She-ep. Take it from me, the chances are that you're going to kill an innocent if you go off the totally random first-day voting. You don't know how many true villains were off on the sidelines watching their work being done for them without them even needing to lift a finger... (Well, maybe you do...) I've seen no good reasons come out in public conversation that definitively puts anyone ahead of anyone else w.r.t. self-condemning statements. I'm more concerned about what hasn't been said, which is a stronger (but still confusing) signal. But you wouldn't want to listen to me, because I've (edit: probably) not been proven to be reliable, as yet, by whatever other true-Cop role(s) there might yet be out there. Should I invite inspection? I don't see why I shouldn't, but the individual(s) concerned need to decide whether or not to, or target a far more worthy target... (e.g. to see if we can really still trust one or other of those who have been subject to revelation, but don't let me distract you with such disturbing thoughts, you doubtless already have your own ideas and perhaps even prior information.) No, no, you messed up the largest when you tried to kill the confirmed innocent detective and handed the mafia, whom we had the identities of sussed out to the letter because on that last night I did spot the thread and see that TSM had been flipped, the most undeserved win ever. NO I'M NOT STILL BITTER. |
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Post by Дьяково on Aug 5, 2014 13:20:52 GMT
With just five and a quarter hours remaining, the tally is as follows: whereyouthinkyoupoliying: 3 (DM, Serrland, Blassy) |
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Post by whereyouthinkyoupoliying on Aug 5, 2014 15:30:22 GMT
Yikes! Er, allow me to read back over the thread and straighten out my thoughts for a more comprehensive post. Maybe everybody could politely refrain from voting for me in the meantime.  |
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Post by whereyouthinkyoupoliying on Aug 5, 2014 15:43:26 GMT
Alright, I'm all caught up.
First things first: I'm not a werewolf, I'm an innocent townie without a special role.
Now, DM keeps bringing up the fact that she's the Sheriff and she votes for me:
- “Anyway - voting again for Wytyg because I'm the Sheriff damnit.”
- “I'm not a vampire! I'm the sheriff. I just got deaded for a bit”
I already said upthread 2 days ago that I didn’t believe that the "Sheriff" was necessarily also the detective. And since now here we are and I know I’m innocent I also know she definitely isn't the detective.
She doesn't even claim to be the detective or to have investigated me, just says "I'm the Sheriff" and that she votes for me, which looks like trying to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes without putting herself up for debate by e.g. the actual detective (if there is one).
DM's death post said she was innocent but now she's trying to get me lynched. So, from where I stand (which is a sucky, unprovable place) the vampire-theory starts to look pretty damn likely. I mean, everybody who was lynched was brought back, which is weird because usually a super-power like that can only be deployed once a game.
Maybe there are now two factions, werewolves and the new Vampires, like the two Cults in the last game.
Anyway, all I know for sure is that I'm voting for DM because I am definitely innocent which makes her definitely not kosher.
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Post by Gamerdog on Aug 5, 2014 16:03:13 GMT
Ya know, that does make some sense. Certainly more sense then the rather strange dogpile (wolfpile? Were-pile? Vampile?) on wytyg in the past day.
I'll play along for now, just to see where this goes. Vote DM.
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Post by chandelier on Aug 5, 2014 17:24:25 GMT
This is making me really confused- that everyone lynched so far has come back to life- and vampires? Vote DM because what WYTYG is saying makes sense to me for now.
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Post by Yaltabaoth on Aug 5, 2014 17:25:23 GMT
I'm increasingly convinced my vampire theory has merit, so given the opportunity I'm going to vote to try and confirm it.
I vote Desperatemarlas.
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Post by panicberry on Aug 5, 2014 18:04:46 GMT
This is fun to watch. Don't mind me, the LEGION just has to keep a presence at all times.
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Post by Gamerdog on Aug 5, 2014 18:07:37 GMT
This is fun to watch. Don't mind me, the LEGION just has to keep a presence at all times. >Implying you aren't a vampire |
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Post by panicberry on Aug 5, 2014 18:41:15 GMT
This is fun to watch. Don't mind me, the LEGION just has to keep a presence at all times. >Implying you aren't a vampire I'm not even in this game! |
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Post by Дьяково on Aug 5, 2014 18:46:04 GMT
After a spirited debate and a close vote, you decide that desperatemarlas must be a vampire. As you drag her off to hang her, Yalta exclaims "She has no pulse! We got the right one this time!" You haul her up, expecting to get to watch her dance a jig at the end of a rope, instead the noose rips her head right off. You examine her body and search her home again to try to figure out what is going on. The lack of fangs and the shiny new copy of Being a zombie detective, a Guide for Dummies leads you to conclude that she was a zombie, not a vampire as you had assumed.
It is now night, you have until 1500EST on August 7th to take your night actions. |
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Post by Дьяково on Aug 5, 2014 18:46:33 GMT
>Implying you aren't a vampire I'm not even in this game! Likely excuse... |
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Post by Gamerdog on Aug 5, 2014 18:48:35 GMT
So DM wasn't an innocent and Serrland is also a zombie.
Good catch, wytyg.
Well, I trust the werewolves to at the very least not fuck this up even more, but it looks like us civvies have our work cut out for us.
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Post by whereyouthinkyoupoliying on Aug 5, 2014 19:09:55 GMT
YES! So DM wasn't an innocent and Serrland is also a zombie. Good catch, wytyg. To be fair, the resurrected having been turned didn't even occur to me until I read Yalta's theory. Which is problematic in itself, seeing how often that happened in previous games... *never learns* |
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Post by Gamerdog on Aug 5, 2014 19:16:49 GMT
So here's what we know.
1: There's a third faction of zombies. We know that Serrland is a confirmed member. It's possible that there's a "prime" zombie, who did the initial resurrection. Whether or not they are still alive is up in the air.
2: There's a potential forth faction, vampires. We know that at least one vampire is dead. We do not know if any other players are vampires.
3: The werewolves are still around, but appear to be severely gimp'd considering all of their kills so far have been brought back to life as zombies.
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Post by desperatemarlas on Aug 5, 2014 19:57:23 GMT
Dead again. But stillwas detective  Keep telling you |
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Post by whereyouthinkyoupoliying on Aug 5, 2014 20:04:51 GMT
*kicks both shins this time for trying to get me killed*
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Post by desperatemarlas on Aug 5, 2014 20:49:15 GMT
Owwwwww!!!!!
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Post by Gamerdog on Aug 5, 2014 20:56:06 GMT
*consumes shins of dm's cadavre*
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Post by desperatemarlas on Aug 6, 2014 0:43:03 GMT
SO much ow!
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Post by Дьяково on Aug 6, 2014 12:38:57 GMT
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Post by Дьяково on Aug 6, 2014 12:42:49 GMT
For enlightenment purposes, here is a list of the roles, who had them and what they did: Regular Werewolves: whereyouthinkyoupoliying, Yaltabaoth - no special abilities. Alpha Werewolf: Gamerdog - if investigated, shows as "innocent". Duchess Krovina, the Vampire: The Beautiful Darkness - if investigated, shows as "not a werewolf". May turn (recruit) one innocent per night, attempts to recruit werewolves or zombies fail. Created vampires all know each other, but not who the head vampire is. If Duchess Krovina dies, they all die. Sheriff: desperatemarlas - standard detective. Necromancer: @blassy - Can revive 1 person each night. Revived person's alignment changes to "zombie" and their abilities gain a 50% fail chance. Doctor: jello - As standard Doctor, plus protects person from being turned. Cupid: Serrland - choose 2 people as lovers, if killed choose 2 more more lovers (there can be overlap) Hunter: Breadknife - if killed, semi-randomly kill one of the people responsible for his death. Barrister: chandelier - Chooses 1 person each night for whom to prepare a defense, if this person tops the lynching vote the next day, the person is pardoned (i.e. does not die) Created Vampires: No new abilities, maintain original ability and role - alignment now vampire. Zombies: No new abilities, maintain original role and ability with a 50% fail rate - alignment now zombie.
As you can see (and probably figured already anyway), the game started with 4 factions: Townies, Werewolves, Vampires, and Zombies.
Behind the scenes activities:Night Zero:whereyouthinkyoupoliying and Gamerdog chosen as lovers. Day 1:whereyouthinkyoupoliying and Breadknife chosen as lovers. Night 1:desperatemarlas investigates wytyg. Werewolves target The Beautiful Darkness. jello protects breadknife. @blassy revives Serrland. The Beautiful Darkness targets Breadknife. chandelier prepares defense for The Beautiful Darkness. As you can probably see, if jello had chosen differently, things would have gone much, much differently from day two on, as Breadknife would have been turned, thus dying along with The Beautiful Darkness, causing the death of whereyouthinkyoupoliying and Gamerdog due to the lovers connection. This would have left Yaltabaoth as the only valid target for his Hunter ability. We would have had 2 of the 3 bad guy factions wiped out on the first night. Instead we're left with all 3 werewolves still alive, 2 zombies (1 actual plus the necromancer), and 4 townies. Night 2:Werewolves target jello. jello protects Serrland. @blassy revives desperatemarlas. chandelier fails to act. Night 3:Werewolves target @blassy. @blassy revives desperatemarlas again. With @blassy dead, desperatemarlas and Serrland die again (third time for desperatemarlas). |
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