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Post by The Beautiful Darkness on Oct 14, 2014 2:07:08 GMT
Dyakovo might have an important role, but the mafia might not have killed him in an attempt at reverse psychology. Or, the mafia might have been the ones we were waiting on, and Gamerdog might have died because of a random roll. Edit: Or, he might be an innocent, but the mafia thinks he's bluffing about how important his role is. Given that the mafia have nothing to go on on the first night, I can't think of a better kill target than Dya. I wonder what your investment in disagreeing with me is though, given that Wytyg has also agreed with my logic. |
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Post by Breadknife on Oct 14, 2014 17:11:12 GMT
Right now, there people too quiet to trust or mistrust. (At least one person too quiet to personally enact their role, perhaps more.) So I can only go on who is talking. And who do I trust more?
I find Dya less suspicious than TBD. But enough to vote TBD? Hmmm...
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Post by Oviraptor on Oct 14, 2014 18:22:18 GMT
Dyakovo might have an important role, but the mafia might not have killed him in an attempt at reverse psychology. Or, the mafia might have been the ones we were waiting on, and Gamerdog might have died because of a random roll. Edit: Or, he might be an innocent, but the mafia thinks he's bluffing about how important his role is. Given that the mafia have nothing to go on on the first night, I can't think of a better kill target than Dya. I wonder what your investment in disagreeing with me is though, given that Wytyg has also agreed with my logic. Dya would be no more or less valuable as a target than anyone else. In fact, killing someone who claimed to be innocent on the first night would help the townies. Whereas leaving him around causes us to chase each other around in circles as we are now doing. Targeting each other only furthers their cause. I ain't calling it yet. |
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Post by chandelier on Oct 14, 2014 19:45:54 GMT
Dyakovo might have an important role, but the mafia might not have killed him in an attempt at reverse psychology. Or, the mafia might have been the ones we were waiting on, and Gamerdog might have died because of a random roll. Edit: Or, he might be an innocent, but the mafia thinks he's bluffing about how important his role is. Given that the mafia have nothing to go on on the first night, I can't think of a better kill target than Dya. I wonder what your investment in disagreeing with me is though, given that Wytyg has also agreed with my logic. I could see it going either way. Could be he's mafia...could be he's not and mafia thinks that, given how many people are already voting for him, they can get the town to take care of him for them, leaving them free to hit another target. And with this game having so many different roles, him claiming to have an important one could mean a number of different things...I'd say a better mafia move (assuming Dya isn't mafia) would be to leave him be and go for someone else who isn't a likely candidate for lynching- but since a mafia that does have Dya in it would also target someone who isn't Dya, this means I can't tell by the choice of kill alone. I'm not entirely convinced either way. |
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Post by Serrland on Oct 14, 2014 19:52:59 GMT
I know I'm falling into the gambler's fallacy and that's not a good thing to do, but there's no way that Dya could be mafia again, right?
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Post by The Beautiful Darkness on Oct 14, 2014 20:07:22 GMT
Right now, there people too quiet to trust or mistrust. (At least one person too quiet to personally enact their role, perhaps more.) So I can only go on who is talking. And who do I trust more? I find Dya less suspicious than TBD. But enough to vote TBD? Hmmm... Seriously? Why? Could you be mafia too? Given that the mafia have nothing to go on on the first night, I can't think of a better kill target than Dya. I wonder what your investment in disagreeing with me is though, given that Wytyg has also agreed with my logic. I could see it going either way. Could be he's mafia...could be he's not and mafia thinks that, given how many people are already voting for him, they can get the town to take care of him for them, leaving them free to hit another target. And with this game having so many different roles, him claiming to have an important one could mean a number of different things...I'd say a better mafia move (assuming Dya isn't mafia) would be to leave him be and go for someone else who isn't a likely candidate for lynching- but since a mafia that does have Dya in it would also target someone who isn't Dya, this means I can't tell by the choice of kill alone. I'm not entirely convinced either way. But given that we didn't kill him on day 1 because we believed he was an innocent then (I changed my vote away from Dya on day 1), why would we kill him on day 2? |
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Post by chandelier on Oct 14, 2014 20:44:17 GMT
I know I'm falling into the gambler's fallacy and that's not a good thing to do, but there's no way that Dya could be mafia again, right? If the selection was random, then it's just as likely as always. Right now, there people too quiet to trust or mistrust. (At least one person too quiet to personally enact their role, perhaps more.) So I can only go on who is talking. And who do I trust more? I find Dya less suspicious than TBD. But enough to vote TBD? Hmmm... Seriously? Why? Could you be mafia too? I could see it going either way. Could be he's mafia...could be he's not and mafia thinks that, given how many people are already voting for him, they can get the town to take care of him for them, leaving them free to hit another target. And with this game having so many different roles, him claiming to have an important one could mean a number of different things...I'd say a better mafia move (assuming Dya isn't mafia) would be to leave him be and go for someone else who isn't a likely candidate for lynching- but since a mafia that does have Dya in it would also target someone who isn't Dya, this means I can't tell by the choice of kill alone. I'm not entirely convinced either way. But given that we didn't kill him on day 1 because we believed he was an innocent then (I changed my vote away from Dya on day 1), why would we kill him on day 2? ...for the reasons you and WYTYG are voting for him now? I mean, I do find the haste to declare an innocent role this early a bit suspicious- I don't think it's hard to see why the mafia might think he'd be targeted for votes. |
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Post by The Beautiful Darkness on Oct 14, 2014 21:00:27 GMT
I know I'm falling into the gambler's fallacy and that's not a good thing to do, but there's no way that Dya could be mafia again, right? If the selection was random, then it's just as likely as always. Seriously? Why? Could you be mafia too? But given that we didn't kill him on day 1 because we believed he was an innocent then (I changed my vote away from Dya on day 1), why would we kill him on day 2? ...for the reasons you and WYTYG are voting for him now? I mean, I do find the haste to declare an innocent role this early a bit suspicious- I don't think it's hard to see why the mafia might think he'd be targeted for votes. Generally I don't think that they're that plotting. My experience of being mafia has just been to kill anyone you think is a threat. When Dya has publicly stated that he is, it seems insane to allow him to live on the basis that maybe the townies will kill him, especially when said townies could have killed him yesterday but chose not to. |
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Post by chandelier on Oct 14, 2014 21:30:54 GMT
If the selection was random, then it's just as likely as always. ...for the reasons you and WYTYG are voting for him now? I mean, I do find the haste to declare an innocent role this early a bit suspicious- I don't think it's hard to see why the mafia might think he'd be targeted for votes. Generally I don't think that they're that plotting. My experience of being mafia has just been to kill anyone you think is a threat. When Dya has publicly stated that he is, it seems insane to allow him to live on the basis that maybe the townies will kill him, especially when said townies could have killed him yesterday but chose not to. Depends on who exactly is in the mafia. Sometimes it can be that plotting. So now my question is, why Gamerdog? Someone who didn't talk and didn't vote seems like an odd choice- hasn't really shown to be a threat to anyone. It strikes me as random, not as a strike on a threat- which suggests to me that they're trying to do a kill that diverts suspicion from somewhere by targeting someone who hasn't shown themselves to be a threat. The biggest threat to go after would have been Dya himself if Dya is innocent, as stated. They clearly didn't use the strategy of killing whoever is the biggest threat to them- so what is their strategy? They didn't kill someone who seemed like a big threat to Dya, either because Dya is mafia or because the mafia is trying to set him up but thought they wouldn't have enough support to do it if they took out one of those more vocally suspicious of him. |
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Post by The Beautiful Darkness on Oct 14, 2014 21:57:22 GMT
Generally I don't think that they're that plotting. My experience of being mafia has just been to kill anyone you think is a threat. When Dya has publicly stated that he is, it seems insane to allow him to live on the basis that maybe the townies will kill him, especially when said townies could have killed him yesterday but chose not to. Depends on who exactly is in the mafia. Sometimes it can be that plotting. So now my question is, why Gamerdog? Someone who didn't talk and didn't vote seems like an odd choice- hasn't really shown to be a threat to anyone. It strikes me as random, not as a strike on a threat- which suggests to me that they're trying to do a kill that diverts suspicion from somewhere by targeting someone who hasn't shown themselves to be a threat. The biggest threat to go after would have been Dya himself if Dya is innocent, as stated. They clearly didn't use the strategy of killing whoever is the biggest threat to them- so what is their strategy? They didn't kill someone who seemed like a big threat to Dya, either because Dya is mafia or because the mafia is trying to set him up but thought they wouldn't have enough support to do it if they took out one of those more vocally suspicious of him. That's what I'm saying, killing Gamerdog is a silly choice unless Dya is mafia. I really don't think they're trying to set him up. Only two people voted for him last round. |
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Post by Breadknife on Oct 14, 2014 23:12:23 GMT
I find Dya less suspicious than TBD. But enough to vote TBD? Hmmm... Seriously? Why? Could you be mafia too? could be (well, except for Gamerdog and Indigo). I'm just saying you're acting more suspicious than Dya. But I've got nothing invested in either outcome. Both innocent, both guilty or one guilty and one innocent? I just don't know if I could tell, right now, hence I'd rather there wasn't an unsound bandwagon built up, without a chance for everyone to get involved. As I said, there's a Silent Majority to consider, but (white hat or black hat or having a hat represented elsewhere on the Pantone® scale) they're keeping their respective cards close to their respective chests. Which I'm not sure is ultimately wise, but may be necessary or unavoidable for some reason (I've already got an idea who the Pizzaed one might be, wrong though I might be if they're just not active yet). Do we want to let them find themselves pre-outvoted by dint of inertia? No. Hence a little bit of verbal friction. Which you're reacting against even though it doesn't actually endanger you. If I've not just told a Mafia member to tone down and not look so guilty. (But you're logical, so I'm sure you can see this already. Whatever your role. Which makes it even more confusing for me.) Only two people voted for [Dya] last round. Three did. You were the third voter for Dya, before you changed your mind and voted for DM instead (alongside Dya, ironically). Dya just went for DM to start with (retaliatory), which is less suspicious in my book. If that's not giving the game away about how I think. Regardless, that's just how I weigh the situation. |
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Post by The Beautiful Darkness on Oct 14, 2014 23:35:29 GMT
Seriously? Why? Could you be mafia too? could be (well, except for Gamerdog and Indigo). I'm just saying you're acting more suspicious than Dya. But I've got nothing invested in either outcome. Both innocent, both guilty or one guilty and one innocent? I just don't know if I could tell, right now, hence I'd rather there wasn't an unsound bandwagon built up, without a chance for everyone to get involved. As I said, there's a Silent Majority to consider, but (white hat or black hat or having a hat represented elsewhere on the Pantone® scale) they're keeping their respective cards close to their respective chests. Which I'm not sure is ultimately wise, but may be necessary or unavoidable for some reason (I've already got an idea who the Pizzaed one might be, wrong though I might be if they're just not active yet). Do we want to let them find themselves pre-outvoted by dint of inertia? No. Hence a little bit of verbal friction. Which you're reacting against even though it doesn't actually endanger you. If I've not just told a Mafia member to tone down and not look so guilty. (But you're logical, so I'm sure you can see this already. Whatever your role. Which makes it even more confusing for me.) Only two people voted for [Dya] last round. Three did. You were the third voter for Dya, before you changed your mind and voted for DM instead (alongside Dya, ironically). Dya just went for DM to start with (retaliatory), which is less suspicious in my book. If that's not giving the game away about how I think. Regardless, that's just how I weigh the situation. Honestly, everyone almost always thinks I'm guilty. You'll notice in many of the past games I die pretty quickly, especially when I am innocent.
How does people thinking I'm guilty not endanger me? If you're all really convinced of that or if, heaven forbid, I'm wrong about Dya and you vote to lynch me tomorrow, either way things don't look great for me right now. I know I'm not mafia and if you were watching me actually play mafia last game, you'd probably have noticed that I kept my mouth shut to keep myself out of harm's way. To great effect. No one suspects people who don't talk much, and I've no doubt that I could get away with it again if I was indeed mafia.
I initially did think that Dya was innocent, hence changing my vote yesterday. If I was mafia, it would have been easier to let him die if he was an innocent, and while mafia have been known to vote for other mafia, it's usually a last ditch attempt to make themselves look innocent when all else seems lost.
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Post by The Beautiful Darkness on Oct 14, 2014 23:39:19 GMT
Actually you know what? Why doesn't the detective investigate me? I'll stand up for that, and if the investigation turns to me being mafia, it would be easy enough to lynch me tomorrow at this rate.
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Post by Breadknife on Oct 14, 2014 23:48:39 GMT
Or first-ditch, before there's any obvious suspicious pattern to dictate, knowing you can withdraw at any time (whether or not you do).
I've put my reasoning. I just want more people to weigh in before we all make a mistake. (Or not a mistake, depending on who you (generic) are and who the sacrifice actually ends up being at the end of the day.)
Until something fresh comes along, I'm going no further. Indulge me people. A majority of you ought to do that, and a minority of you ought to be seen to do it. Play "fool Breadknife with sweet, sweet lies", if you want. Silence is golden, but I'd rather have a platinum disc. Or blonde. Both would be nice, albeit both are way beyond my league.
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Post by chandelier on Oct 15, 2014 0:05:27 GMT
Depends on who exactly is in the mafia. Sometimes it can be that plotting. So now my question is, why Gamerdog? Someone who didn't talk and didn't vote seems like an odd choice- hasn't really shown to be a threat to anyone. It strikes me as random, not as a strike on a threat- which suggests to me that they're trying to do a kill that diverts suspicion from somewhere by targeting someone who hasn't shown themselves to be a threat. The biggest threat to go after would have been Dya himself if Dya is innocent, as stated. They clearly didn't use the strategy of killing whoever is the biggest threat to them- so what is their strategy? They didn't kill someone who seemed like a big threat to Dya, either because Dya is mafia or because the mafia is trying to set him up but thought they wouldn't have enough support to do it if they took out one of those more vocally suspicious of him. That's what I'm saying, killing Gamerdog is a silly choice unless Dya is mafia. I really don't think they're trying to set him up. Only two people voted for him last round. It would be a fairly elaborate set up, and it would make some degree of sense if Dya is mafia for them to pick someone seemingly random rather than someone who voted for him to throw off the scent. There's quite a bit of time left though, so I'm going to give it more thought before committing to something. |
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Post by jello on Oct 15, 2014 0:13:22 GMT
But given that we didn't kill him on day 1 because we believed he was an innocent then (I changed my vote away from Dya on day 1), why would we kill him on day 2? Did you change your vote away from him with the expectation that he'd be killed during the night? |
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Post by jello on Oct 15, 2014 0:17:13 GMT
I know I'm not mafia and if you were watching me actually play mafia last game, you'd probably have noticed that I kept my mouth shut to keep myself out of harm's way. To great effect. No one suspects people who don't talk much, and I've no doubt that I could get away with it again if I was indeed mafia. This might be why they killed Gamerdog - he was quiet, and unlikely to be lynched. |
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Post by The Beautiful Darkness on Oct 15, 2014 0:55:12 GMT
But given that we didn't kill him on day 1 because we believed he was an innocent then (I changed my vote away from Dya on day 1), why would we kill him on day 2? Did you change your vote away from him with the expectation that he'd be killed during the night? I changed my vote because I thought he was innocent but yes, I still predicted that after making the statement that he did he would have been murdered that night anyway. |
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Post by jello on Oct 15, 2014 10:02:18 GMT
At the moment, there are two votes for TBD and two for Dyakovo. I'd be tempted to leave it as a tie, but this game has the strawman, who is an unknown quantity. It could be the strawman is mafia, or an innocent with an important role. Given the unknown nature of this, I will vote TBD. I don't really think TBD is guilty, but of the three choices here this is the least objectionable to me.
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Post by desperatemarlas on Oct 15, 2014 20:22:57 GMT
Still think Dya is mafia! Vote Dya
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Post by panicberry on Oct 15, 2014 20:30:04 GMT
Okay, so to update on my laptop (since it's really difficult to manage this from a phone): it will be done either Friday or Monday. Because I'd like to be able to write up the scene any time on Friday, I'm going to close voting tomorrow night (Thursday/Friday midnight) and will try to write up the scene then, hopefully the delays in responses at night won't be too bad and I will randomise unfinished night actions and write up the next scene Monday morning.
Not to distract from voting, but tonight the mafia does not act, only the Pope does. All other roles function as normal provided they aren't dead.
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Post by jello on Oct 17, 2014 3:54:15 GMT
*grumble grumble*
With the vote tied, the Strawman will die. Without knowing who that is, I don't think it makes sense to allow it to happen.
Unvote TBD, vote Dyakovo.
*grumble grumble*
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Post by panicberry on Oct 18, 2014 2:05:59 GMT
Still don't have laptop.
–—
"He's ALWAYS mafia!"
COUNTREARGUMENT: I AM ON THE RECORD IN A DIFFERENT GAME STATING THAT I PURPOSEFULLY GIVE PEOPLE ROLES THAT HAVEN'T HAD BEFORE
LIKE LITERALLY THE EXAMPLE I USED AT ONE POINT WAS I WOULDN'T MAKE DYA MAFIA
YOU ARE A SHITTY TOWN
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Dya, the Lead Man who quite clearly was not going to be mafia again, like what the hell guys, has been lynched. You all failed very badly today is disappoint.
Mafia is inactive tonight, Pope Elderberry is active alone.
I hate you all, you've messed up two consecutive votes in stupid manners also still don't have a laptop a bit more angry than normal.
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Post by whereyouthinkyoupoliying on Oct 18, 2014 11:34:04 GMT
Still don't have laptop. –— "He's ALWAYS mafia!" COUNTREARGUMENT: I AM ON THE RECORD IN A DIFFERENT GAME STATING THAT I PURPOSEFULLY GIVE PEOPLE ROLES THAT HAVEN'T HAD BEFORE LIKE LITERALLY THE EXAMPLE I USED AT ONE POINT WAS I WOULDN'T MAKE DYA MAFIA YOU ARE A SHITTY TOWN —–– Dya, the Lead Man who quite clearly was not going to be mafia again, like what the hell guys, has been lynched. You all failed very badly today is disappoint. Mafia is inactive tonight, Pope Elderberry is active alone. I hate you all, you've messed up two consecutive votes in stupid manners also still don't have a laptop a bit more angry than normal. Yeah, WELL, in literally every game since I joined this forum someone (mostly he himself) pointed out that obviously Dya "was quite clearly not going to be mafia again" yet in all but one* of them he WAS, so  to you. *might have been two, I can't remember, but the point remains
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Post by Breadknife on Oct 18, 2014 11:50:38 GMT
From the record of games I've paid most attention to (although I've got a bigger list somewhere, that I made for my Infill)...
April/Easter - Persephone
May/Infiltrators - Barbarian
June/Pirate - Nobeard
June2/Fairytale - Wicked Stepsister
July/Infill - Persephone again (but then that was part of the twist, and not the most difficult person to cast, IIRC)
August2/Courtroom - Defendant
September/Revolution - Secret Police
That said, I never took notice of "I WOULDN'T MAKE DYA MAFIA", that wasn't in my reasoning. But don't be angry at me, for that, Angrier-Than-A-Russian!
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Post by Дьяково on Oct 18, 2014 14:16:20 GMT
I told y'all I was innocent... I even gave hints as to what my role was...  |
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Post by panicberry on Oct 19, 2014 1:31:52 GMT
Just for clarification, as it was asked, the only effect of being in the Piper's Retinue is knowing the names of the others in the Retinue. You otherwise play as normal, but if everyone but the Piper is in the Retinue the Piper immediately wins.
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Post by panicberry on Oct 21, 2014 1:44:22 GMT
You wake to find the lovers, Jello and Ovi, dead. Damn, they were a cute pair too!
At any rate, Jello, your detective, and Ovi, the Indian Chief, died. Jello was also the Strawman so two of you are about to have misfortune fall on you.
Day will begin whenever I know who the new Strawman is and who Ovi decided to revenge-kill, at which time I'll maybe write a scene too. Voting will close at some time after that, shut up I know what I'm doing!
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Post by jello on Oct 21, 2014 1:55:32 GMT
Damn you, Pope Elderberry.
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Post by whereyouthinkyoupoliying on Oct 21, 2014 22:21:00 GMT
Nooo, not the detective! Poop. Rest in peace, jello.
Also: *pokes thread*
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